pipercross

amanda · Post by **amanda** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:20 am

[quote=\"corsa_kaish\"]piper are **** revs drop k&n any day piper 4 high powered engines[/quote]

i have a piperx, my boyfriend put it on his cav 2.0l 16v redtop and it killed the engine

Joff · Post by **Joff** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:01 pm

[quote=\"scatt16v\"][quote=\"Joff\"][quote=\"scatt16v\"]I\'ve just took my induction kit of my 1.4 16v, alot more responsive at low revs.[/quote]

So it\'s more responsive with the AIRBOX? Methinks it\'s all in your mind.[/quote]

It really is more responsive at low revs, it was suckin too much air in with the filter on, It\'s NOT any slower once it\'s picked up eathier.[/quote]

You can\'t have too much air - the throttle body will only use as much as it can physically take.

Joff · Post by **Joff** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:03 pm

[quote=\"amanda\"][quote=\"corsa_kaish\"]piper are **** revs drop k&n any day piper 4 high powered engines[/quote]

i have a piperx, my boyfriend put it on his cav 2.0l 16v redtop and it killed the engine[/quote]

The filter wouldn\'t have killed the engine. If it did as you suggest and he didn\'t take it up with Pipercross, he\'s an idiot.

amanda · Post by **amanda** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:12 pm

he only tried it on as i wasnt using it and the engine did not agree with it, it would not run properly, it would cut out!!

Joff · Post by **Joff** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:09 pm

If it was cutting out then he didn\'t fit it properly.

amanda · Post by **amanda** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:57 pm

he did fit it properly

i would love to know how hard is it to fit an airfilter improperly??

(not sure on \"technical\" names) but its only a big tube coming from your car, connecting to the one on the air filter

Joff · Post by **Joff** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:52 pm

That engine performs perfectly with an induction kit - it\'s one of Pipercross\' top 10 filter applications.

It will even run happily with NOTHING at the end of the intake pipe, ok it may take dust and debris into the engine but it won\'t suddenly cut out because there\'s no filter fitted.

The only reason for it to not run properly is because it wasn\'t fitted correctly.

scatt16v · Post by **scatt16v** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:17 pm

[quote=\"Joff\"][quote=\"scatt16v\"][quote=\"Joff\"][quote=\"scatt16v\"]I\'ve just took my induction kit of my 1.4 16v, alot more responsive at low revs.[/quote]

So it\'s more responsive with the AIRBOX? Methinks it\'s all in your mind.[/quote]

It really is more responsive at low revs, it was suckin too much air in with the filter on, It\'s NOT any slower once it\'s picked up eathier.[/quote]

You can\'t have too much air - the throttle body will only use as much as it can physically take.[/quote]

They must suck more air cause they grunt more!

Joff · Post by **Joff** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:36 pm

[quote=\"scatt16v\"]They must suck more air cause they grunt more![/quote]

No... they take more air in with the cone than the airbox, but the volume doesn\'t exceed the amount the engine is physically able to take through the throttle body. If the airbox didn\'t restrict the amount of air getting to the throttle body then there would be no performance benefit from fitting a cone filter.

The sound difference is due to the removal of the airbox.

You did know this really didn\'t you...?

broster · Post by **broster** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:25 pm

it will only suck as much as the pistons go down.

scatt16v · Post by **scatt16v** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:32 pm

[quote=\"Joff\"][quote=\"scatt16v\"]They must suck more air cause they grunt more![/quote]

No... they take more air in with the cone than the airbox, but the volume doesn\'t exceed the amount the engine is physically able to take through the throttle body. If the airbox didn\'t restrict the amount of air getting to the throttle body then there would be no performance benefit from fitting a cone filter.

The sound difference is due to the removal of the airbox.

You did know this really didn\'t you...?

[/quote]

Nope, dont know alot about cars. So ur sayin adding an induction kit does NOTHIN to the performance, on ANY engine?

broster · Post by **broster** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:39 pm

it does, it allowss the engine to breath easier! hence changing the acceleration curve of the engine

Joff · Post by **Joff** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:41 pm

[quote=\"scatt16v\"]Nope, dont know alot about cars. So ur sayin adding an induction kit does NOTHIN to the performance, on ANY engine?[/quote]

No, I\'m saying that \"If the airbox didn\'t restrict the amount of air getting to the throttle body then there would be no performance benefit from fitting a cone filter\".

Luckily for companies like Pipercross, K&N, etc. Manufacturers have to make their cars for the general public to buy and if every car sounded like all of ours do with exhausts and induction kits, they\'d not sell very many.
So they quieten the intake system by adding loads of little chambers to the airbox which unfortunately can also hamper performance.

Add to the equation a standard paper filter and you\'ve got a pretty boring intake system.

Ditch it all for a simple cone filter and the results are normally immediately noticeable - which is where the filter companies market is.

scatt16v · Post by **scatt16v** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:58 pm

Got ya, I think.

MonkeeBoy · Post by **MonkeeBoy** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 2:21 am

lol the air filter is the first thing i got

but apparently i can\'t do anything to my engine (because its only a crappy 1.2) in a way and air cone filter does have performance benefits then, because someone told me it only makes the engine sound more meaner