engines- best,cheapset,how much work

gareth_towler · Post by **gareth_towler** » Mon May 23, 2005 2:04 pm

was thinking of a putting a 2.0L engine in me motor in the future. ppl who have done this, which is best , cheapest engine to get. And also if U put a 20.L engine in it do i have 2 change the dash clocks and ova mechanical pieces ?

Dodgy Dave · Post by **Dodgy Dave** » Mon May 23, 2005 5:08 pm

ok the cheapest engine will be the C20SEH basically a 2l 8v, but if your going for an engine get the 16v or a turbo.
now you dont have to change the clocks over

Things needed to be changed -
Hubs,
drive shafts
gear box mount needs a spacer
the gear linkage needs to be extended
a 1.4 or higher raidator
acellrator cable off donor car,
wireing loom and ecu,
breaks NEED up rating
suspension needs up rating too
exhuast needs modifying to match up to your existing piping

thats all i can think of at the mo but if no more comes back to me i will post it up

you can buy a conversion kit from regal auto sport or M-Tech

Dodgy Dave · Post by **Dodgy Dave** » Mon May 23, 2005 8:03 pm

also you are going to need 8mm fuel lines, and loads of tools some of which may get broken

punkheadgray · Post by **punkheadgray** » Mon May 23, 2005 10:15 pm

ive got wheel spacers on front, did anyone else need these? also engine mounts... wish id done mine myself

amanda · Post by **amanda** » Tue May 24, 2005 9:25 am

i been told to go for a 2.0l 8v cos u can rag the poo out it and almost nothing goes wrong with it compared to a 2.0l 16v

hobsey · Post by **hobsey** » Tue May 24, 2005 9:35 am

in all honestly, you are better off tuning a small block like a 1.6, once tuned you can get the same power out put as a 2ltr with less weight.

amanda · Post by **amanda** » Tue May 24, 2005 9:38 am

im debating whether or not to tune my ickle 1.4 8v up as much as i can (and be one of a kind) or to stick 2.0l 8v in (like one of the other many poeple). not really sure saying as i just got my boost valve on not too long ago

tom87 · Post by **tom87** » Tue May 24, 2005 12:24 pm

^^^
no point wasting money n tuning mods for a 1.4 when your not going to make it any faster, if you want to mae it faster #, ya need a calli/cav or astra redtop in.

j1400 · Post by **j1400** » Tue May 24, 2005 1:38 pm

the best 2L engine to put in for power is the redtop engine. you can pick them up for Â£100-300.
A 2L 8v (SEH 130BHP) is a goos second choice, but will always be a second. They go for Â£50-200, so really you\'re not saving any money, as the conversion kit is the true cost.

It\'s true to say a small block engine tuned to good degree gives a better drive for those who intend to trackday and rally/sprint etc.. but it\'s hard to justifuy spending Â£3000+ on a 1.4 or 1.6 engine, unless you know that is what you want to do.

For most road drivers, a 2L is fine and you won\'t really notice the handling issues of the exctra 90KGS in the front of the car.

Just be sure to carry out maintaince on the engine before it goes in, new timign belt roller, water pump, oil change and filter. and check for oil leaks, all this will save headaches in the near future.

I know mileage is an issue, but really provided the engine are well serviced they will see you to 150k-200k without an issue. My girlfriends astra originally mine has a 144k 20Xe in it, and is now in excess of 155k with no issues. I\'m not saying if I stuck TB\'s etc, on it would last long, but in std tune (airfilter and exhaust doesn\'t count) they will pretty mcuh live for ever.

As for speedo\'s, you just plug in the sendor to the box, and if it\'s an iductive pick up then you need to get hold of a mech and elec sesnor and hook the leccy dash to that.

James

amanda · Post by **amanda** » Tue May 24, 2005 1:40 pm

well my boost valve made me go faster top end, considering i got my car to 90 before hand and it wouldnt go any further, now it gets there no problem and it goes to at least 105

punkheadgray · Post by **punkheadgray** » Tue May 24, 2005 1:41 pm

J1400 u astound me with your knowledge dude

hobsey · Post by **hobsey** » Tue May 24, 2005 1:57 pm

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It\'s true to say a small block engine tuned to good degree gives a better drive for those who intend to trackday and rally/sprint etc.. but it\'s hard to justifuy spending Â£3000+ on a 1.4 or 1.6 engine, unless you know that is what you want to do.

James[/quote]

I suppose that was pretty unfair for me to comment about the small blocks as it is one sided on my behalf as my 1.6 will be tuned for track days.

but fair comments on the rest of what you said.

amanda · Post by **amanda** » Tue May 24, 2005 3:28 pm

well my car beats all other 1.4 8v up here that i have raced

so it keeps me happy

my boyfriend has a 2.0ltr 16v red top in his cav which is chipped, which i might be able to have if he gets rid of the car

(which he probably won\'t

)

Liam_corsa · Post by **Liam_corsa** » Tue May 24, 2005 6:52 pm

Dblias do an inlet manifold that gives a claimed 22ps increase. That on a 1.6 would put it up there with the red top wouldn\'t it. A few other mods like new exhaust manifold, Cams and ecu ect would work and quicker due to the reduced weight and cheaper wouldn\'t it?

I\'ve got a 1.4 16v and don\'t know what to do to mine. Might tune this engine and see what i can get out of it.

j1400 · Post by **j1400** » Tue May 24, 2005 7:15 pm

Max output isn\'t the only thing to be considered. It\'s fair to say a 1.6 can be tuned up to 150BHPish, but the delivery will be peaky and won\'t be the nicest car to mince around in. Where as a 2L will have a better spread of power across the revs.

The first thing I always notice driving any car with a big-sih engine, is you dont\' need to drop a gear if you slow down, you cann just mince off in the same gear.

Plus the econmics of it all also dictate to an extent your choice.

1.6 with cams inlet, chip labour is well over 1000 more to ward 1300 really.

Now a 2L conversion can be done for under 800 running and fitted.

Provided you are 21ish and have at least a yrs no claims the insurance jump is not very big.

The only possible advantage of a smaller engine would be cheap tax, which the 1.6 is not. you have to have a 1400cc or less engine for that. and in a corsa, it still won\'t be too quick. That\'s after trying a 130BHP 1.4 in a stripped out corsa sport, was still getting raped by a nova with a 1.4 8v in it, a std one!!

So if you want a corsa that\'s fast for the the road, then 2L, if you want one fast for the track, put the engine in a nova then tune it.