pipercross
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:04 pm
will fittin a pipercross induction kit make much differance to the performance and sound of the car
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pipercross
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:27 pm
i have one on mine mate because the engine is so small it doesnt do alot
pipercross
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:41 pm
await joffs influx of posts on here
Re: pipercross
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:36 pm
[quote=\"tooncorsa\"]will fittin a pipercross induction kit make much differance to the performance and sound of the car[/quote]
hmm no, an induction kit will just make a bit of noise and give flat spots.
hmm no, an induction kit will just make a bit of noise and give flat spots.
Re: pipercross
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:31 pm
[quote=\"tom87\"][quote=\"tooncorsa\"]will fittin a pipercross induction kit make much differance to the performance and sound of the car[/quote]
hmm no, an induction kit will just make a bit of noise and give flat spots.[/quote]
People always carelessly throw around the term \"flat spot\" when discussing air filters.
The main reason the car performs \"badly\" is because the engine is a puny 1.2 which has been designed primarily with economy in mind - both fuel and cost to build. This means irregular internals, cheaper components and generally less attention to detail when it comes to moving gases smoothly in and our of the combustion chamber.
So before go immediately start with the anti-induction kit bollocks, take a step back and look at how you can make full use of what the induction kit has given you - the ability to BREATHE.
Flat spots
The sensation that the car is hesitating or suffering from a \"flat spot\" is due to an inconsistency with the vehicle\'s fuelling or more accurately, the air-fuel mixture ratio.
The mixture in many modern engines controlled by an ECU have the ability to adapt to climate changes, driving styles, fuel grades, etc which makes them able to perform day in day out regardless of the environment.
When you make any changes to the variables affecting the AFR, it\'s understandable that the engine will need to learn the new levels and adust either the air or fuel accordingly (normally, this is done by adjusting the fuelling rate).
Derestricting the air intake system will (should) increase the volume of air entering the engine, which will lean the AFR. For the ECU to accurately adjust to the new settings it often needs to be reset to factory settings before it can start to learn.
This may be as easy as just driving for an hour or so, or may happen over a period of journeys (stop-start).
Other times you may need to disconnect the battery for half an hour or so , maybe even need a dealer to reset via their test equipment.
Just be grateful you don\'t have to do what 350z owners have to do lol.
In summary?
If you uprate your speakers, your music may become louder - this isn\'t a bad thing, you just turn the volume down a couple of db. If you fit performance brakes and alloy wheels, you\'ll probably get black brake dust all over your wheels - no biggie, just wash it off.
The same goes for air filters - hate something, change something!
Just because someone with a Corsa says \"induction kits give flatspots\", does that mean that the millions of satisfied customers worldwide, many with their own industry-standard test equipment, race teams, etc are all wasting their money?
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hmm no, an induction kit will just make a bit of noise and give flat spots.[/quote]
People always carelessly throw around the term \"flat spot\" when discussing air filters.
The main reason the car performs \"badly\" is because the engine is a puny 1.2 which has been designed primarily with economy in mind - both fuel and cost to build. This means irregular internals, cheaper components and generally less attention to detail when it comes to moving gases smoothly in and our of the combustion chamber.
So before go immediately start with the anti-induction kit bollocks, take a step back and look at how you can make full use of what the induction kit has given you - the ability to BREATHE.
Flat spots
The sensation that the car is hesitating or suffering from a \"flat spot\" is due to an inconsistency with the vehicle\'s fuelling or more accurately, the air-fuel mixture ratio.
The mixture in many modern engines controlled by an ECU have the ability to adapt to climate changes, driving styles, fuel grades, etc which makes them able to perform day in day out regardless of the environment.
When you make any changes to the variables affecting the AFR, it\'s understandable that the engine will need to learn the new levels and adust either the air or fuel accordingly (normally, this is done by adjusting the fuelling rate).
Derestricting the air intake system will (should) increase the volume of air entering the engine, which will lean the AFR. For the ECU to accurately adjust to the new settings it often needs to be reset to factory settings before it can start to learn.
This may be as easy as just driving for an hour or so, or may happen over a period of journeys (stop-start).
Other times you may need to disconnect the battery for half an hour or so , maybe even need a dealer to reset via their test equipment.
Just be grateful you don\'t have to do what 350z owners have to do lol.
In summary?
If you uprate your speakers, your music may become louder - this isn\'t a bad thing, you just turn the volume down a couple of db. If you fit performance brakes and alloy wheels, you\'ll probably get black brake dust all over your wheels - no biggie, just wash it off.
The same goes for air filters - hate something, change something!
Just because someone with a Corsa says \"induction kits give flatspots\", does that mean that the millions of satisfied customers worldwide, many with their own industry-standard test equipment, race teams, etc are all wasting their money?
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pipercross
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:22 pm
well said. I\'ve just took my induction kit of my 1.4 16v, alot more responsive at low revs.
pipercross
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:55 pm
BMC CDA is a better bet 
pipercross
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:58 pm
i wanted one of them but was told that the bmc cda was becoming illegal as it is only meant to be used on rally cars only and its not road car legal
pipercross
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:47 pm
[quote=\"2modified\"]BMC CDA is a better bet [/quote]
Not really - cotton gauze filter inside, clogs up three times as fast and chokes your engine
Halfords do a CDA-copy for £70. Just as poo, but half the price so you\'ve got less to lose.
[/quote]Not really - cotton gauze filter inside, clogs up three times as fast and chokes your engine
Halfords do a CDA-copy for £70. Just as poo, but half the price so you\'ve got less to lose.
pipercross
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:48 pm
[quote=\"amanda\"]i wanted one of them but was told that the bmc cda was becoming illegal as it is only meant to be used on rally cars only and its not road car legal[/quote]
Those people are talking crap. It\'d be nice if they were illegal tho
Those people are talking crap. It\'d be nice if they were illegal tho
pipercross
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:49 pm
[quote=\"scatt16v\"]I\'ve just took my induction kit of my 1.4 16v, alot more responsive at low revs.[/quote]
So it\'s more responsive with the AIRBOX? Methinks it\'s all in your mind.
So it\'s more responsive with the AIRBOX? Methinks it\'s all in your mind.
pipercross
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:43 am
piper are poo revs drop k&n any day piper 4 high powered engines
pipercross
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:51 am
[quote=\"corsa_kaish\"]piper are **** revs drop k&n any day piper 4 high powered engines[/quote]
I have no idea what you\'ve just said.
I have no idea what you\'ve just said.
pipercross
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:43 am
[quote=\"Joff\"][quote=\"scatt16v\"]I\'ve just took my induction kit of my 1.4 16v, alot more responsive at low revs.[/quote]
So it\'s more responsive with the AIRBOX? Methinks it\'s all in your mind.[/quote]
It really is more responsive at low revs, it was suckin too much air in with the filter on.
So it\'s more responsive with the AIRBOX? Methinks it\'s all in your mind.[/quote]
It really is more responsive at low revs, it was suckin too much air in with the filter on.
pipercross
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:44 am
[quote=\"Joff\"][quote=\"scatt16v\"]I\'ve just took my induction kit of my 1.4 16v, alot more responsive at low revs.[/quote]
So it\'s more responsive with the AIRBOX? Methinks it\'s all in your mind.[/quote]
It really is more responsive at low revs, it was suckin too much air in with the filter on, It\'s NOT any slower once it\'s picked up eathier.
So it\'s more responsive with the AIRBOX? Methinks it\'s all in your mind.[/quote]
It really is more responsive at low revs, it was suckin too much air in with the filter on, It\'s NOT any slower once it\'s picked up eathier.